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Abe was too honest to be a christian. by AAtheist Abe was too honest to be a christian. by AAtheist
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:iconblondbeastboy:
Lincoln was a deist, though. In fact many Presidents of the USA believed in God in one way or another. Now? God to them is money.
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:iconaatheist:
I never at any point said he wasn't. 
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:iconblondbeastboy:
But you implied he was.
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:iconaatheist:
No I stated that he wasn't Christian. There is a very significant difference.
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:iconblondbeastboy:
His religion was his beard. End of story.
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:icondeborah-valentine:
Deborah-Valentine Jun 25, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
yeah I'm sure
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kuabci Mar 18, 2013  Professional Filmographer
And yet, he is often reported as having become a Christian at some point in his life, and he has also been quoted speaking quite favorable of the Bible, Christianity, God and religion in general (I won't spam up your post with them, any minor amount of research will produce them). Way to take one quote and deliver it out of context and then apply your own misguided interpretation.
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:iconaatheist:
Well there is the difference between me and you. You finish up at the "minor research" and I look deeper. Yes he did, but Abe was a believer in a god, not necessarily a believer in Christianity, or the god that YOU believe in.

Seriously, the best you can do is "he is often reported as becoming a Christian at some point"? It doesn't occur to you that in order for you to believe a claim you need actual evidence? People also claim that Einstein was a Christian. Hell they were doing it while he was alive, and yet it was completely false.

Unless you have something other than unsupported and unsubstantiated claims then I am afraid you are going to have to try harder.
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kuabci Mar 18, 2013  Professional Filmographer
What makes you think I stop at "minor research"? What I said was that if anyone who held this opinion bothered to do a minor amount of research, they would find his sentiments on the subject were considerably more complex. I didn't provide "actual evidence" because I don't need to, it's there for the world to discover on their own. (I mean, I could demand actual evidence about your Einstein claims too, but I don't.)

Honestly, you don't even know which god (or God) I believe in. You are expectedly (but still disappointingly) angry and irrational. That's a great way to further your cause. And I don't need to "try harder", because your position and point are flimsy at best.
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Lmao, you think I'm angry? Hilarious. No, I'm more amused than angry.

Further, I at no point ever said that his feelings on the subject were not complex. If you had read my previous note properly you would have noticed that I didn't ask for evidence, in fact the emphasis was that you should look for more real evidence for yourself...

And I would be completely astonished if you didn't call yourself a Christian of some description. I could be wrong, and I agree that I am coming to conclusions on little evidence. It is however fairly consistent evidence, you are not the first person to try a similar argument, and all previous experience indicates that you are highly likely to be a Christian when you do such.

As for my point being "flimsy at best", rather than using Argumentum ad Hominem why don't you try actually addressing my point?

To make it easy for you I'll even give it to you in simple terms, You have so far made nothing more than unsubstantiated claims about the veracity of this image. You are in effect declaring that it is false and ignoring your burden of proof.

As for evidence of Einstein I'll give you this, "It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

Just to make your intense research a little easier for you I'll even give you the origin of the quote - Albert Einstein, letter to an atheist (1954), quoted in Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas & Banesh Hoffman
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