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Martin Luther by AAtheist Martin Luther by AAtheist
Martin Luther was one of the most influential theologians EVER.

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kalika12 Oct 24, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
If a man who created a branch of a religion says it and the religious people from now say that it isnīt true,then they are more idiot then him -_-
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:iconlordelthibar:
I respectfully disagree with Martin Luthor on this point, because many Christians during the time of the Renaissance looked to reason to strengthen their faith. I myself have used reason to strengthen my fait as well.
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:iconaatheist:
Fair enough. However be aware that during the renaissance they had a very different view of the universe, we certainly didn't have a genuine competing theory for the start of the universe, and personally I don't see how anyone looking at the available evidence today can come to the conclusion that god exists. Indeed, there is no more genuine evidence that he exists, than there is evidence that Eric the God eating penguin exists.
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:iconlordelthibar:
Well that is the thing, we have two different world views. Thanks you for your respect towards Christians though. You don't know how grateful I am.
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:iconaatheist:
You're welcome. Anybody who has the good grace to be polite when talking to me deserves the same in reply. Thank you for a convivial conversation :)
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:iconblondbeastboy:
"Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy faith has" I think there's a different meaning to it, but you just want to remove the context because you just want to jab at the faith-nutters.
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:iconaatheist:
Exactly how can context change that quote?

Not to mention that actually the context is pretty consistent. I mean just take a look at some of the other stuff he's said.

“Reason is the Devil’s greatest whore; by nature and manner of being she is a noxious whore; she is a prostitute, the Devil’s appointed whore; whore eaten by scab and leprosy who ought to be trodden under foot and destroyed, she and her wisdom… Throw dung in her face to make her ugly. She is and she ought to be drowned in baptism… She would deserve, the wretch, to be banished to the filthiest place in the house, to the closets.”

—Martin Luther, Works, Erlangen Edition v. 16, pp. 142-148.

“Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has; it never comes to the aid of spiritual things, but—more frequently than not—struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God.”

—Martin Luther, Table Talks in 1569.

“Heretics are not to be disputed with, but to be condemned unheard, and whilst they perish by fire, the faithful ought to pursue the evil to its source, and bathe their heads in the blood of the Catholic bishops, and of the Pope, who is the devil in disguise.”

—Martin Luther, Table Talks (as quoted in Religious History: An Inquiry by M. Searle Bates, p. 156).

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:iconblondbeastboy:
The way h talks about it feels like he foreshadowed the Cult of Reason, which was a mock religion made of atheist members during the French revolutionary war. The high number of irreligious population in France is owed to them. Also, those quotes were made centuries ago in England. Their dialect and vocabulary has changed over the past 525 years. How do you know the word "reason" had the same meaning it does now back then?
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:icongreatkingrat88:
First you play "out of context!" as an argument. Then, upon being disproven, you throw wild accusations of a non-existent "cult of reason". Then you blame linguistics.

Here's a novel idea: why don't you, the one making the claim, prove that this is a mistranslation? The original was not English- it was German, which means it was translated at some point. You don't have to be a scholar to do internet research- knock yourself out, and show us why we're wrong.
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:iconblondbeastboy:
"Non-existent 'cult of reason'"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_…

If you won't bother reading it here's a summary: It's the French father of the church of FSM.
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