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myfev Featured By Owner Jun 17, 2015
Try hard
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DaneOfScandinavy Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2015
Religion isn't innately bad, as there are also many positive aspects, but it has been abused by extremists and greedy leaders. Seeking the truth can never be bad, whether through religion or through science.
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BrutalityInc Featured By Owner Dec 22, 2014
While the existence of supernatural forces is empirically questionable, and much misery had resulted from religious belief throughout the centuries, we cannot simply ignore the positive impact of religions on Human civilization.

For example, archaeological studies suggests that early societies with more religious faith fare better than those with less as faith and ritualistic practices, increases social coherency and organization, as well as deterring socially-destructive self-interest behavior. Some of the earliest large scale civilizations, such as Sumer and Egypt, are practically theocracies with powerful priesthoods or self-proclaimed god-kings at their heads.

www.newscientist.com/article/m…

In the Western world, religions' fanatical persecution of 'magic-users', such as suspected 'witches' and cultists, in medieval times is noted to be critical in fostering an environment where science and the scientific method can (and eventually did) develop, by forcing people to accept the reality that the external world, and the inscrutable, invariable laws that govern it is separate from the internal world of individual desires.

www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/2…

Also, Christian monestaries and Muslim scholars had been credited in preserving knowledge and literature from the Classical and Roman Eras during the collapse of the Roman Empire during the Dark Ages, and in many cases advances continues to occur, such as in areas of mathematics and medicine by Muslim scholars during the Islamic Golden Age.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_…
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General-Spitfire32 Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
yes but this is true of many things, man abuses many things, his free will above all.
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PandaSennin Featured By Owner Jul 11, 2014  Student Filmographer
It's sad to see humans abuse religion like that.
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2014
people have a habit of abusing all things, but we do have many redeeming features.
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PandaSennin Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2014  Student Filmographer
Agreed. With the bad also comes the good. You can't have one without the other.
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014  Student Writer
Quoting someone like Madalyn Murray O'Hair to religious people is like me quoting the Bible to you. Dumbass.
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014
Who says I was quoting it to you? The fact that you happen to have seen it does not make you my target audience. Dumbass.
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014  Student Writer
It is incredibly doubtful that something with the title Religion is bad is for the purpose of anything other than instigating.
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014
Why? When obviously this is a page for atheists? I wish to be part of the atheist community. I wish to help atheists come together as a community so that they can start sticking up for their own beliefs, much as the organised religions do.

The fact that religious people are free to view it is certainly true, and I do not doubt that many religious people do not like the premise. This certainly does not mean however that religious people are the target audience.
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014  Student Writer
You are insulting the entire basis of our lives for no good reason.
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Cypselurus Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You're insulting a whole lot more people by saying our basis in life is to be religious..
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2014  Student Writer
Plenty of people live their whole lives based around the Holy Word. Many more live their lives viewing Scripture as one of their foremost guides.
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Cypselurus Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
And plenty don't live their lives like that. Please respect those who don't :)
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2014
Except that I think you base your lives on a false belief that causes harm and strife throughout the world. So I think calling religion bad is not only technically accurate, it is also something that I should point out so that it may be corrected.
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2014  Student Writer
Atheism hasn't exactly been the world's greatest creation.
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2014
Atheism is simply a lack of belief in God or Gods, it is not a creation, and there are actually many atheistic religions. Buddhism being the most prominent. Anything else you associate with atheism is simply the individual baggage of the person you are discussing at the time.

Atheism has no doctrine, no scripture, no organised belief, no accepted beliefs of any kind (a lack of belief is not in itself a belief). It does not have a a code of conduct, nor laws, nor any binding rules of any kind. As such anything you associate with atheism is your OWN impressions, and possibly the mistaken impressions of the atheist in question.

Just out of curiosity, why is atheism not the worlds greatest "creation".
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Qwerty-V2 Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2014
Almost all religions believe in tolerance and to be a good samaritan or to give and help the poor. Sone people just use religion for their own selfish needs. Sone crusaders were fighting to protect their land from muslims and vice-versa. Its not religions fault others took that opportunity to steal money and to gain more land.
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2014
Religion by its very nature makes people think they have the correct way of living, it makes people believe that everybody else should believe as they do. If you are a Christian, and you believe that people who do not believe in Christ are going to hell, how could you possibly live with yourself if you didn't do everything in your power to make others believe as you do. They MUST believe in Christ, otherwise they will be tortured for all eternity. It does not matter what you do to them, it cannot possibly be worse than hell, and if you manage to get them into heaven then everything you did would be worth it.

Further, while all religions preach tolerance, very few actually practice it. And of those that do, they get diluted and destroyed within just a couple of generations. A religion that actually practices tolerance simply does not survive very long.

There are of course a few exceptions, Jainism being one, Buddhism occasionally being another, but even in these "tolerant" religions, you have problems. Jainism flourishes through teaching falsehoods as facts, they actively attempt to divert research from things that may prove them wrong and counterfeit results trying to prove their teachings correct. They do this so well that people have managed to starve themselves to death thinking that they can survive on nothing but sunlight.

Buddhism has even worse a history for "tolerance", so much so that the Stuka dive bombers of world war two were Shinto Buddhists, the Dahlia Lama lama is part of a long standing regime that oppressed the peasants and poor people of his country, making a caste based society with a very privileged few and many many people living in poverty and squalor. A "servant" class.

As for Christians, from which the good Samaritan story actually came from, I need only remind you of the Inquisition to make you aware of just how bad their history of "tolerance" really is.
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014  Student Writer
You ignore all the good deeds the religious have done. How many thousands have been saved thanks to donations by the Catholic Church, or other Christian organizations? It was groups like the Church and the Muslim Caliphate that kept Classical Knowledge alive during the Dark Ages (which weren't actually as dark as Renaissance writers made them out to be). Bishop Oscar Romero led the civil rights movement in Nicaragua or one of those other Central American dictatorships. The Reverend Doctor Martin Luther King Jr. led the fight for equal rights during the 1960s. The Papacy helped hundreds of thousands of Jews escape the Holocaust, and aided the Western Powers during the Cold War.
And FYI you can't use things that happened centuries ago as evidence of why religion today is bad.
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014
And you completely ignore what religion did to start those problems in the first place. It was groups like the inquisition that deliberately set out to destroy any knowledge that contradicted their beliefs. Not to mention torturing and killing anybody who disagreed with them. And the Inquisition has manifested not once but four times, in completely different time periods and with completely different Christian sects. Galileo was Tried and placed under house arrest with the very real possibility of being executed for his insistence that the earth revolves around the sun and not the other way around. You say I cannot use things that happened centuries ago, and yet this has had a very real effect on our science today. If this had not happened we would be literally centuries ahead by way of technology by now. We would already have green tech that wouldn't be harming the world we live in. Possibly leading us to destroy it by relying on outmoded and harmful methods that destroy the planets resources.

Islam was once at the forefront of science and yet today a study done by Pakistani physicist Pervez Amirali Hoodbhoy laid out the grim statistics in a 2007 Physics Today article: Muslim countries have nine scientists, engineers, and technicians per thousand people, compared with a world average of forty-one. In these nations, there are approximately 1,800 universities, but only 312 of those universities have scholars who have published journal articles. Of the fifty most-published of these universities, twenty-six are in Turkey, nine are in Iran, three each are in Malaysia and Egypt, Pakistan has two, and Uganda, the U.A.E., Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Kuwait, Jordan, and Azerbaijan each have one.

There are roughly 1.6 billion Muslims in the world, but only two scientists from Muslim countries have won Nobel Prizes in science (one for physics in 1979, the other for chemistry in 1999). Forty-six Muslim countries combined contribute just 1 percent of the world’s scientific literature; Spain and India each contribute more of the world’s scientific literature than those countries taken together. In fact, although Spain is hardly an intellectual superpower, it translates more books in a single year than the entire Arab world has in the past thousand years. “Though there are talented scientists of Muslim origin working productively in the West,” Nobel laureate physicist Steven Weinberg has observed, “for forty years I have not seen a single paper by a physicist or astronomer working in a Muslim country that was worth reading.”

Not to mention the more recent things religion has done, such as its continued and unrelenting attack on the rights of people who do not believe as they do. Today there are still thousands of court cases about religious people discriminating against gays and lesbians, and atheists simply because they do not share the same religious beliefs. There are continuous cases in court at the moment where religious people are trying to keep the law set up so that gay couples cannot get married. There are countless examples of religious schools and organisations teaching fundamentally false things as fact and calling into question the very basics of science.

Religion may help individuals on a large scale, meaning that you can quote figures in the thousands of people it helps, but it creates the conditions in which those people were caused harm in the first place. It may help thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, but it has, and continues to, cause harm to millions upon millions.
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014  Student Writer
The Inquisition which you are thinking of is the Spanish Inquisition which was manipulated by the Spanish monarchs to eliminate political, religious, and social dissidents within their newly-conquered lands in Granada.
DO YOUR DAMN RESEARCH! Galileo was arrested for teaching his ideas after the scientific community ordered him to stop. The Pope was an ardent supporter of his ideas, and even sent two Jesuit astronomers to try and hep him get enough data to prove his theory. However, he antagonized both of them to no ends, and insulted the Pope in a book he wrote. And even with the begrudging help of the two Jesuits, he still couldn't find enough data. And I've been taught enough in Science class to be aware that, it doesn't matter how clearly true what you say is (and this was not clear in the slightest) unless you have the proof to back it up. Which Galileo lacked.

That is because do to constant foreign intervention and meddling over the course of the past century has allowed for despotic reigns which encourage the populace to remain ignorant.

You consider God to be against the very basics of science. And gays don't have the right to get married.

Theire is infinitely more good done by religion than harm.
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2014
No I am thinking of the witch trials, the Spanish inquisition, the Portuguese inquisition and the Roman inquisition. All of whom were specifically tasked with routing out heresy. There were various manifestations of the inquisition starting from the 12th century and moving on all the way through and finishing with the Portuguese and Spanish inquisition in the 19th century.

ALL forms of the inquisition destroyed many ideas that they did not believe were in accord with the catholic churches views and cannon law. They suppressed new ideas and destroyed scientific work that they did not believe was compatible with their own view of God.

As for Galileo's trial, he was banned from teaching heliocentric theory precisely because the inquisition declared it to be heretical in 1616. It was declared heretical because it directly challenged the ideas of Ptolomy who instead believed in a geocentric model. Geocentricism is in accord with literal interpretations of the scriptures, and as such had a great deal of support from the church.

He was tried at the Inquisition headquarters in Rome. He was forced to renounce his ideas under threat of torture and burning at the stake. He was long time friends of the person who was Pope at the time of his inquisitorial trial. In fact Pope Urban was so angry with him that it was said that merely mentioning Galileo's name could send him into a fury. In the end he renounced his ideas and was placed under house arrest for the rest of his life.

He based his ideas on direct observation which could be obtained by anyone with a telescope, and it doesn't matter if your ideas are true or not, when they are based on clear evidence the scientific method demands that you give them as good a chance as you would any other theory. 

So how about you stop telling me stories that they taught you in church and DO YOUR OWN DAMN RESEARCH so that you can see whether what they told you is true or not. 

I do not believe God to be against science, although nearly all beliefs about God are logically inconsistent. And Heterosexual couples do not have the right to get married either. What exactly has that got to do with anything?

Your belief that religion does more good than harm does not appear to have any basis in reality, and your reliance on what people have told you without any form of evidence seems to be a serious problem.
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2014  Student Writer
The Roman Inquisition was hardly as brutal as the modern media would lead us to believe.

They didn't teach me that in school. They taught me the same load you just said. It was by my own research that I discovered this.

You were yammering on about how my religion violates people's rights.

Better I listen to them than I listen to you, who would like nothing better than to see everyone abandon the True Faith.
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2014
So what if it wasn't as brutal as modern media says? It was brutal and it definitely suppressed scientific discoveries that could have changed the world. As for your "research" it seems to simply focus on stories that you like rather than anything with a factual basis. 

Yes I was talking about religion infringing on the rights and lives of other people and you said that gay people do not have the "right" to marriage, to which I said that neither do straight couples. My point is that while they may not have the right to marriage, they DO have the right to be treated equally to everybody else by the law of the land. Saying that they cannot marry, while straight couples can is infringing on their right to equal treatment, and is ethically and morally reprehensible.

As an aside, how do you know that your faith is the true faith? Do you know that the single greatest indicator of someone's religion is their geographical location of birth? Isn't it interesting that your faith doesn't seem to be based on any truth that others do not know, but instead on what you were taught as a youngster?
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Corvus-the-Snark Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Actually religion is just a very practical scapegoat, all of mankind's misery comes form their own selfishness and corruption regardless of what they believe.
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2014
While I agree that selfishness and corruption have created many problems, they do not come anywhere close to the scale of religion. Religion is used to control the way people think. Worse it makes people think that they have to make others think in the same manner. Do you really think that it is just corruption and selfishness that has made every problem that could be blamed on religion? 
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Corvus-the-Snark Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2014
Then you haven't thought your position through and there is no point in debating with you.
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Corvus-the-Snark Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Same to you
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klokateer666 Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2013
That is right, All Religion is very very very BAD!!! Religion is responsible for all wars.
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Yeah, and Maddie O'Hare caused more misery to the FFRF than any other single religion has.

Oh wait... I guess you didn't know how she died, having been buried (And reduced, as she so charmingly put it, to worm chow) with the son who joined her in embezzling from the FFRF.

Too bad she didn't have any kind of moral compass.

The best part of the story?

Her disowned son is a born-again Christian and is alive, well and happy. :troll:
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2013
What gives you the impression she embezzled money from them? Actually all evidence shows she was kidnapped and forced to pay her kidnapper before she was murdered, along with her son and granddaughter. In fact in 2001 David waters led police to where he had buried her. She and her family were so badly mutilated that they had to identify them from dental records. 

As for her disowned son, he most certainly is NOT a Christian, he does believe in a god yes, but he keeps his own personal faith very quite and refuses to affiliate himself with any form of organised religion.

I agree that she was not a paragon of virtue, with many faults and problems. She had definite psychological problems and enjoyed the spotlight. However It in no way alters what she accomplished, or the veracity of her statement.

If you insist on every person of influence being a moral giant, then I am afraid you are going to be very short of anybody to look up to. 
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
As soon as you step out of that one Egyptian River everybody knows, then let's talk...
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013
Yes... Because that really shows me you can argue your point cogently. Nice comeback there. I think I settle for the always popular "Yeah, and yo moma".
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
That's a touch more 90's. 'Your face' is what's in.
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ThatSketcher Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
It caused me a lot of misery until i stopped believing.
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2013
I hope things work out well for you :)
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Zecorezecron Featured By Owner May 5, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
False.
Almost none of the major wars EVER were about religion. Nearly all of them were about side A wanting something side B had and killing them for it.

Alexander conquered Persia because Persia attacked Greece to gain land. Qin conquered China because he wanted to be in charge. Hitler was able to get Germany behind him because they were mad about the restrictions placed upon them when they lost the first world war which only happened because everybody and their grandma was in an alliance and had to fight because of it. And let's not forget Vietnam and Korea which were about people disagreeing over how the economy should be run. Am I forgetting any?

Oh, the war on terror you say? Consider this. Would those people still be fighting if they didn't follow a religion that only endorses violence as a last resort?
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AAtheist Featured By Owner May 5, 2013
At what point was war mentioned? War is certainly not the sole cause of misery. I give you the inquisition (all four of them), the oppression of women, slavery, it holds back progress and is the direct cause of lost scientific endeavour throughout history. Take some time and actually learn your history before you start arguing against the argument you "think" I'm using. I would suggest you start in the "Dark Ages". Take a look at the role of religion in society at the time. Actually go out and educate yourself. It might do you some good.

Also you could have picked some better examples, many of Alexander the greats followers believed he was the son of Zeus. He was under Aristotle's tutelage from a very young age, and Aristotle impressed upon his young pupil the notion that all non-Greeks are barbarians and their enemies and that it is "the moral right of all Greeks to wage war upon them, enslave them, or exterminate them" (Cummings 59). In other words it was the belief that he was ALLOWED to destroy everyone else that lead to him taking over the known world.

Hitler? Really? Are you going to argue against the role that religion played in creating all the horror of the second world war? Honestly? I take it that his annihilation of the Jews was purely political? Are you sane? This quote does not say that religion is the SOLE cause of misery, but it is certainly one largest causes of misery throughout history.

And finally the war on terror I say? Actually no, I wouldn't bother to bring it up, but now that you've mentioned it. Consider you final statement, "Would those people still be fighting if they didn't follow a religion that only endorses violence as a last resort?" Do you actually think this helps your cause in any way? At all? Try reading it again. Also they do not follow a religion that endorses violence "only" as a last resort, actually violence is pretty common throughout Sharia law. Try actually reading the Koran before you make statements about something you obviously know nothing about. Hell on that point it might be a good idea for you to actually read the bible, I would suggest starting with genesis. You might actually learn something.
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Ironwolf935 Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2013
Not to mention Hitler used Catholicism to heavily support the Nazis. Almost every speech he's ever given mentions something about God leading him to commit the Holocaust.

Not to mention the Nazi uniforms came with a belt buckle with the words "GOTT MIT UNS" (GOD WITH US) on their front.

And that two thirds of the Nazi soldiers were active Roman Catholics.

Hitler may not have been a Christian, but his followers were.
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Oct 19, 2013
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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kimbo2390 Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2013
Awesome. :)
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Deborah-Valentine Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2012  Professional Traditional Artist
even as a child, i thought about that
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LilRedWagon Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2012
HELLO! ... Methinks "MANKIND" has CAUSED MORE 'misery' to one another .... RELIGION and NON religious types .... ? .... SMILES.
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Childe-Of-Fyre Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
True, but "mankind" generally CAUSES those miseries OVER the IDEA of RELIGION... ;)
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Jul 17, 2012
Yes, but mankind is not an "idea" or a concept.
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LilRedWagon Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2012
AAtheist: HELLO, again! .... It's my HUMBLE view of 'history' that there were ALSO PLENTY of HITLER types who espoused no 'religion' while they killed MILLIONS.... YES, there ARE RELIGIOUS wars also throughout history .... TOO MANY of such .... AGREE ....

I operate on the view that ANY 'reason(s)' for WAR upon OTHER HUMANS ''other than TRUE SELF DEFENSE'' is HORRIFIC .... I don't care to 'parse' the 'religious' wars with the 'non' religious wars .... WAR is WAR in MY HUMBLE view ....

MONEY and GREED and EGO are also MAJOR causes for HISTORICAL WARS ....

My BEST to you and yours .... LRW
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star500 Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2012
Pardon me for cutting in, but...

"Who says I am not under the special protection of God?" Adolf Hitler
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