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Religion robs you of yourself. by AAtheist Religion robs you of yourself. by AAtheist
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Ralij Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, because Newton was totally incapable of independent thought. As I'm sure was Descartes, Pascal, Galileo, Kepler, Mendel, and Pasteur.
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CorvusCorax92 Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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I need say no more than this.
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Hawk-tip Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2012  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Unfortunately, as well-written and accurate as that may be, not all atheists are as in-depth with their reasoning behind religion and science as he is, nor many other atheists. It's understandable to be confused by all that's in the universe and still say that God exists, but I can assure you that He is here. Independent thought was given to us as a tool to solve and to create, not to be controlled and rendered to having only a conformist's way of thinking. Religion and science are not enemies, only two different subjects that happen to cross paths on a rocky road.
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CorvusCorax92 Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I never said all atheists are as in-depth in their reasoning as Tyson. Indeed, I would say most people are not, regardless of world-view. His is one of those unique intellects that only come around every so often. Remember that not all atheists are rational or scientific: 99% of Buddhists are atheists, many Hindus are, and a great many 'new age' types. Atheism does not mean 'not religious' and it doesn't 'secular' or 'scientific'; it only describes a lack of belief in something (namely, a deity), and absolutely nothing else about what they do believe in, just as 'asantaclausism' (if it were a word) would only describe a lack of belief in Santa. From my perspective, the only difference in these two positions is the wider social relevance of God as opposed to Santa: they're both imaginary beings with zero evidence for their existence.

"Independent thought was given to us as a tool to solve and to create, not to be controlled and rendered to having only a conformist's way of thinking."

Aside from the unqualified assumption that thought was 'given' by anything, I thoroughly agree with this, 100%. But this is *exactly* how I arrived at my secular worldview: using independent thought (with no regard for conformism or tradition) applied systematically and rationally to the world around us. And where this brings us, on this issue at least, is that there is not a single SHRED of evidence to validate the existence of a deity, whether Odin, Krishna, Allah, Jupiter, Ra, Huitzilopochtli, or Yahweh.

Religion is fundamentally opposed to science, and science has nothing to say on anything outside of what can be known, so seeing as the god hypothesis -any god removed from nature- is not falsifiable, and so is an invalid hypothesis.

I have no problem if you want to take comfort in your faith; just don't involve science. Science professors never placed priests under house arrest for 'blasphemy' like the pope did with Galileo; scientists don't demand that religious folks preach evolution in their churches like religious folks try to put their faith in the science classroom; science never stunted the development of faith by force, while religion did (and continues to do) exactly that to science.

With that in mind, we can also compare the issues of contention *within* the two philosophies (Reason and Faith) and the logical consequences of following either, for example: you never hear on the news of 'agnostic rebels attacking the atheist stronghold', but you often hear of one religious group attacking another. The reason is that two people with differing notions of existence based in faith can only say "my god is real" so many times, but they can't ever demonstrate this, so the only option is to either 'agree to disagree' or use violence to impose their views on someone else. Two or more folks whose views are based in reason having a disagreement over some fundamental aspect of existence can eventually come to a solution because their views can be proven and disproved.

Bottom line: Scientists might disagree on issues, certainly, but string theory advocates never fly planes into the labs of loop quantum gravity advocates, and Lamarckian biologists didn't fight brutal insurrections against Darwinian ones; never was there a Saint Newton's Day Massacre.
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asecretoutlet Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2012
perfect, man, good link!
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CorvusCorax92 Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thanks! Tyson is always my go-to-guy for a good dose of reason. :thumbsup:
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2012
They were certainly limited in their world view, and I don't doubt for a second that if they weren't born in a time when not believing in god was likely to get you tortured to death that many of them would have been at least extremely agnostic about the whole concept.
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Ralij Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
We are all limited in our worldview based on our time, religion or not.
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2012
Absolutely, but some more than others, and religion is one of the biggest inhibitory influences on human social evolution.
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Ralij Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
It is also a stabilizing and unifying force. Exactly what is wrong with 'love thy neighbor' anyway?
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