If you're talking about Ray Comfort, Ken Ham, and William Lane Craig, the reason is because these people are morons. He isn't a theologian, he's an evolutionary biologist, and talks about that subject.
The reason he can say this statement, and be right, is because all you have to do is read two chapters into the bible and you realise he actually is right. The christian god is a monster.
The people that you mentioned are not the only theologians though. There are hundreds of others. He can really take his pick on who he wants to debate and who he doesn't; some are more competent then others.
But you can't define something like God with a malefic opinion (and decision) to revile religion (especially the Christian religion) with every turn. That doesn't make him right. Further more, he ISN'T right.
As the saying goes, a righteous judges will always seem unfair in the eyes of the convict.
Proverbs 14:12 "There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."
Psalm 52:3 "Thou lovest evil more than good; and lying rather than to speak righteousness. Selah."
No body has the authority (or the right) to criticize a being that has devoted His entire existence to our salvation, growth, and eternal joy. Least of all Dawkins whom presupposes he and those like him who spew similar contentious, hate-filled, vitriolic bile are better then, not only God, but others who, like me, offer a chance to convert to something that will heal their souls and body, and will offer them eternal happiness. At the very least, if they don't want to convert, I can offer them information on, not just my faith, but on a perspective that is not bound to that which is simply observable.
That's said, you're precisely correct. He is an evolutionary biologist. But, until he can even consider a prerogative outside of his hate-filled one, he shouldn't be considered a credible opinion on the subject of Christendom--or even philosophy or religion for that matter.
What a man is remembered for by his fellow man is irrelevant. What matters is his works, faith, and repentance for when he meets Christ up on the judgement seat. For that man will have a perfect knowledge of all his sins that he has not repented for, but will have exaltation and everlasting life if he repents.
Ezekiel 18:21 - "But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die." ("Die" in this context, meaning death of the soul).
So, we should think of god for the good things he does, rather than the abysmally horrible, genocidal, infanticidal, hypocritical, blame-shifting, and frankly insane nonsense he never ceases committing throughout the entirety of the bible?
If this is so, perhaps you could tell me of some good your god has done?
Or you could perhaps demonstrate that he exists at all. That would be very useful, and perhaps the more pertinent.
"So, we should think of god for the good things he does, rather than the abysmally horrible, genocidal, infanticidal, hypocritical, blame-shifting, and frankly insane nonsense he never ceases committing throughout the entirety of the bible?" What you are attempting is an obtuse comparison. God gave us the power to make our own decisions. Within this power is the potential to do good things as well as evil. I don't know what bible or holy text you are reading that states God is an "abysmally horrible, genocidal, infanticidal, hypocritical, and blame-shifting" being, but to blame him for perfectly justifiable behavior after mortal men have committed atrocities that fall well within your accusations is absolutely absurd.
"If this is so, perhaps you could tell me of some good your god has done?" This should be an obvious question. And it is actually quite surreal to see someone actually have the gall to ask this. What has he done? Hmmm...well let's see apart from the thousands of miracles and good works that have been done with his power, blessing, and guidance, let's start with the big things, shall we?
- Gave us the opportunity to live a mortal life and experience the joys (as well as pains) it has to offer. We have the ability to live an existence of freedom with our decisions only being bound by consequence as opposed to being FORCED to make decisions like Satan wanted.
- Gave us the Priesthood authority that has allowed men to perform works of healing, repentance, and other ordinances that constitute THOUSANDS of miracles in His name. To name all of these miracles and good works would take up thousands of pages worth of posting space.
- Gave his only begotten son so that we might be able to repent for our sins and live with Him again.
- Gave us Priesthood ordinances that allow us to perform baptism by immersion, laying on of hands, and many other ordinances that also constitute miracles if it is His will.
I've heard a lot of people say God is responsible for a lot of bad things, but for someone to say he hasn't done ONE good thing? Wow... that is a first. I don't know who or what hurt you that led you to believe that, but you have my honest condolences.
"Or you could perhaps demonstrate that he exists at all. That would be very useful, and perhaps the more pertinent." Let's not make obtuse requests in addition to making obtuse comparisons... I can't demonstrate the truth of God or His work through words alone; I can only offer experiences in my life, which are, quite frankly, miracles. Experiences that fall well outside of any scientific explanation. Experiences that are so precise and so personal in their nature, that it would cause me to commit grievous sin were I ever to deny that they were miracles done by the hand of the Lord.
I don't expect you to believe me--quite frankly, I don't blame you. To convey experience through words is only so effective. It is something you have to have an open mind to experience. Which means, if you have a specific prerogative not to believe in God, then you won't believe it. Even if miracles were to fall in your lap.
If I believed your experiences just based on you telling me them, I'd be making an irrational decision. You could tell me "I saw the universe spawn from the spout of the Almighty Teapot. I don't expect you to believe me, and you have me condolences for when you're tossed screaming into the cold coffee rinds with the Old Bag, but I sympathise that you don't believe me," and hold as much validation as what you just said. Miracles cannot be evidence of god's existence, since neither you nor I can ascertain from their mere occurrence what the source of them was. For all we know, it could have been Zeus, Allah, aliens, faeries, or humans from the future fucking with us. You have to demonstrate your god. If you can't do this, I have no reason to believe in his existence. You don't think other people have told me about how god helped them find their car keys, or how Jesus told them how to find their way out of an office complex, or how the holy spirit led them to find the last christmas toy on the shelf?
As to your god being responsible for many bad things, within the scope of your mythology, he is responsible for every single bad thing, because he is responsible for every single thing that happens. Observe:
- God creates the universe. - God creates beings in that universe from dirt and a broken rib, and gives them free will (which doesn't exist by the way). - God then gives them an arbitrary rule (a rule that makes no sense whatsoever), a rule that he already knew that they would break, and already knew the consequences would be unleashed. - God had the power, being omnipotent, to change said outcome. But he didn't. - God engages in blame-shifting, blaming his creations for his own actions. - The entire human race suffers forever for the crime of being born.
Sure, this means that every single good thing that ever happens is also his fault, but when I said that he never does anything good, I was speaking from the standpoint of listing his actions in the bible. At no point in the bible does god do anything that doesn't have some HORRIBLE, or irrationally nonsensical outcome.
The bronze age shepherds who wrote the bible didn't have much to go on when they were inventing their deities, except lots of violence and a big desert. It's really no wonder their god is such a bloodthirsty monster.
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