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It amazes me how many Christians dismiss the Old Testament.

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TheDreamVista Featured By Owner Edited Dec 5, 2015  Student General Artist
:icontasorius2: Also, you are not telling the truth and I'm not telling lies, you were just being an asinine and truly delusional. Face it, that site means nothing; it's a waste of time, and it has been destroyed for a reason, stop trusting that idiotic website that you try to shove my throat in. Also, you weren't an atheist, you're a misotheist, which is a problem I find.
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2015
I'm sorry, but "that site" has in no way been destroyed, its still there, you can check for yourself. It is in fact not possible to destroy. I'm sure that the website can be removed, and everything they say can be disputed theologically, however if the bible is to be taken as perfect, it cannot be denied there are certain places within the bible which are mutually contradictory. Which is the main premise of many statements made on that website, and can be checked by anyone willing to spend the time and look up the references. That's why they give you the exact chapter and verses used to form their statements, it is so that you can look them up in proper context for yourself.

Next an atheist is someone who does not believe in god or gods. it is surprisingly difficult to hate something you do not believe exists, it is not however all that difficult to argue against it in a passionate manner. Just because someone argues against the existence of god in an emphatic and possibly derisive manner does not mean that person "hates" god, it simply means they are passionate about his lack of existence. Which is also surprisingly easy given just how much control god has over so many peoples lives, whether he is fictional or not.
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TheDreamVista Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2015  Student General Artist
Almost everything you said, I don't care. I don't what you said about the different views, I don't care if you think this site is not destroyed nor debunked, only stubborn atheists would say that.
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2015
"Only stubborn atheists would say that."

Really? It's not that hard to check. Honestly I'll even make it easier for you, I believe you were talking about the Skeptic's Annotated Bible? Here is a link. skepticsannotatedbible.com/

It is pretty clear from your answer that you are not in any way having a discussion, you are in fact just rehearsing your own arguments. That is a shame, and I feel sorry for you.
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TheDreamVista Featured By Owner Dec 19, 2015  Student General Artist
And I feel sorry for you how unacceptable you are.
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NOMNOMSUN Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I wish this guy was my mentor. He would be a great teacher to live from.
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alexgameanimeex35 Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
He isn't at all better in The New Testament to begin with. And who says Old Testament isn't valid ? I mean, in The New Testament it never says that stuff from the old one isn't true and shouldn't be followed. Not to mention, there are only few minor differences between each other.
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TheDreamVista Featured By Owner Edited Jun 2, 2015  Student General Artist
To :icontasorius2:,

If you still think EvilBible.com still did not get refuted, let me give you something that would debunk not just Evilbible.com, but Skeptic's Anointed Bible as well, which was also founded in that site, but it still refutes everything what SAB argues. www.berenddeboer.net/sab/index… I hope this would help you understand better.
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ReXspec Featured By Owner Edited Apr 21, 2015  Student Writer
To :icontasorius2: who decided to block me as opposed to providing an actual rebuttal to my argument...

"You said it yourself: "God ordered the execution of women and men who slept around because fornication/adultery is a grievous violation of divine law."
That alone makes your god evil. The fact that you agree with executing "adulterers" makes you equally bad.

The fact that you failed to address what Christ said on the Sermon on the Mount is rather telling.  Apparently Christs ministry doesn't count because it contradicts your false idea of the biblical God, eh?

Not to mention this statement is monumentally presumptuous.  I never said I supported the killing of anyone, I simply stated the reasoning behind the executions.

Again, those sins held rather dire ramifications for those ancient cultures.  You can't turn a blind eye to that fact and brush off the decision to deal with those ramifications as "God being evil."  God had very good reasons for enacting the policies that He did.  The fact I have to explain this is both sad and frustrating.

But hey--I get it.  You don't want to believe that, so you chalk it up to God being evil.  Why?  I cannot guess.  Probably a personal, petty vendetta against deity and those who worship said deity.

"And a whole country cannot be "wicked" and "barbaric". There are always innocent people in a country.
Your god ordered them to kill everyone because of the actions of some of them.

No.  According to the scriptures, the few innocent people that did exist in Midian were rescued and taken in to Israel.  It says it right there in the text. 

Furthermore, the implication that you know better then the people that made an account of the battle (let alone God) about the state of the nation of Midian represents monumental arrogance on your part.  If you don't want to believe the Bible was a historical account of the children of Israel, then that is your prerogative.  Don't push that prerogative on me and attempt to shove your shitty, fundamentalist word-vomit down my throat.

"So the government was corrupt and stupid and their only way to deal with problems was to kill everyone.
And they justified it by saying that your god ordered them to do it.
It is clear that they were only using "God". No one ever spoke to them, or if someone did, they were not a benevolent god.

Again, I refuted that statement.  If that's what you want to believe without giving a proper refutation, then that is your prerogative.  If you want to believe that God is an evil schizoid, then there is not a convincing argument that I can give to convince you otherwise.

"So the conclusion is that whether that quote was real or not, is completely irrelevant.
The thing you linked me to said the same thing in another way. It makes no difference.

Translation:  "I don't like your rebuttal, so I'm going to try to reduce your response's relevance by saying it's irrelevent."

I wasn't addressing the reality of the quote, moron.  I answered your concern directly:  My rebuttal makes a strong case against God being evil.  You didn't really address the rebuttal, you're just re-stating that God is evil without addressing the very clear issues that God was dealing with when the Israelites went to war against Midian.

The god in the bible is evil. If you want to believe in a benevolent god, then accept that the bible is written by humans and not even inspired by a higher power.
Using redundancy in an argument without addressing your opponents rebuttal doesn't make you any more right.  It just makes you seem asinine and childish.

If the god you believe in is real you are disrespecting him more than those who do not share their faith.
Right.  So you're the only one who is allowed to believe because only you and those toxic mongoloids like you are the sole purveyors of truth regarding the intention of deity or doctrinal standards?

You must be a special kind of insane or stupid.

Take your arrogant, retarded, self-reighteous, fundamentalist/denialist sentiment about deity or theistic doctrine and shove it where the sun don't shine, skippy.

"Lying to yourself the way you do is more of a sin than the innocent things you consider to be sins."
That's rich coming from an edgy fundamentalist who can't even properly refute an argument and needs to do-so by using passive-aggressive, self-reighteous garbage like this:  "It is the most disrespectful you can be towards your god."

You wouldn't know respect toward a deity if it came up and bit you in the dick.  Here you are, spouting off "God is evil" like it's fucking gospel.  Furthermore, you can't even come up with a rebuttal to someone who has an opposite view of yours so you resort to passive-aggressive self-righteousness to try to make it seem like you're the illuminated one in the conversation here.

End yourself.

"If you don't seek help, you will eventually hurt someone."
If I physically break a fundamentalist like you, I'll be doing the world a favor.  It's people like you who make up the crowds that support fundamentalist factions of religious belief (or non-belief) like the W.B.C., fundamentalist Islam, and rabid anti-theism.  You are a walking tumor upon the face of mankind.  And I wish to GOD I had the power to simultaneously wipe out fundies like you from the face of the Earth.

"All that anger is not good for you and others."
Whatever you say, throw-pillow.

"Seek help as soon as possible and don't let your delusions destroy you completely."
lol  Regurgitating Dawkins is the hip thing to do nowadays, huh?  It's people like you that make me despise my generation.
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TheDreamVista Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2015  Student General Artist
He also blocked me after I blocked him after giving him these  creation.com/evil-bible-fallac… www.tektonics.org/lp/packham02… debunkedevil.blogspot.com/ atheismexposed.tripod.com/evil… www.gotquestions.org/is-God-ev… www.therefinersfire.org/evil_b… . And he still thinks EvilBible.com is the truth and he claims that none of these refute everything what EB says. It's either that he's a troll, a stubborn person, or just stupidly ignorant.
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ReXspec Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2015  Student Writer
He's a rather typical fundamentalist.  And the scary part is, fundamentalists are not trolls, but they honestly believe their regurgitated bullshit.  Even in the face of sound arguments/evidence.
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TheDreamVista Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2015  Student General Artist
That is just sad, stupid and pathetic...
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ReXspec Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2015  Student Writer
Welcome to the world of a fundamentalist:  Where they believe their values are right above all others, and their paradigm of reality is the way all people should view reality.  "To Hell with logical arguments!  Your anger, tears, etc. feeds us proves us right!"
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TheDreamVista Featured By Owner Aug 8, 2015  Student General Artist
And what he does is to shove atheism down to people's throats in. Most fundamentalist atheists are a bunch of God-hater. Not only because if people don't believe God, they will be hostile when not knowing everything about the true him.
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TheDreamVista Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2015  Student General Artist
Let's not forget that we were already living in the place called "Living Hell".
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TheDreamVista Featured By Owner Edited Oct 13, 2014  Student General Artist
Sorry, I shouldn't to over react and say some things about his thoughts on God like this. He is intelligent, but I respectfully disagreed his point of view about this.
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SherbertTCat Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"Abort it and try again!", Richard Dawkins on the subject of unborn babies with Downs Syndrome.
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skillington Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2014  Professional General Artist
and? He could be a child raping genocidal maniac and all the points he raises in this picture would still be true.
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ColinBenson Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2014
I couldn't have said it better myself, RD.
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2014  Student Writer
It amazes me how many atheists dismiss the incredible lack of research Dawkins did before writing his books. 
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2014
And it always amazes me how many religious people have this completely false belief.
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Jun 22, 2014  Student Writer
That doesn't deny what I said of Dawkins.
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2014
And you didn't substantiate it in the first place. I really can't be bothered getting into a debate with someone so obviously biased as yourself. You can believe as you wish. I, however, do not agree.
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2014  Student Writer
He emphasizes all the bad things about religion and the few monsters within it's ranks and ignores the many great things they've done.
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014
First of all that has absolutely nothing to do with your first comment, where you accused him of having no basis for saying the things that he does. Second he emphasizes the terrible things about religion, because it is often ignored by everybody else. He would happily acknowledge the good things, if they were not so incredibly outweighed by the bad things as to become mostly insignificant.
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014  Student Writer
The man actually said "do you have to read up on leprechaunology before disbelieving in leprechauns?"

There is no argument you can make about the bad things done by religion that I can't counter.
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014
So what you are saying is that you do not need to bother reading what I am going to write, your mind is already made up and what I say can make no difference? Well I certainly didn't see that coming from a religious person.
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TheDreamVista Featured By Owner May 29, 2014  Student General Artist
I am sick and tired of getting other beliefs (including mine) getting criticized, bashed, and persecuted by all antitheists. All the things what Dawkins has said about religion and deities makes him ignorant, a hypocritical bully and not a true genius. We believers and even non-believers are equal in many ways.
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Tasorius2 Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2015
he is completely right in this quote though.
Anyone having read any part of the old testament would know that.
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TheDreamVista Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2015  Student General Artist
For some people.
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Tasorius2 Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2015
How about some quotes...+ www.evilbible.com/
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TheDreamVista Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2015  Student General Artist
Uh, you should know that Evilbible.com is misleading website for people and has been refuted.
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Tasorius2 Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2015
Those quotes are real, and there is no denying that.

And the god in the old testament is evil and/or completely out of his mind.
You are just ignoring that and acting as if it never happened.

There are two options if you are not completely brainwashed.
You can either say that the Bible is false and your god is good, or you can say that the Bible is true and your god is not worth worshiping.
Anything else is you lying to yourself.
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TheDreamVista Featured By Owner Edited Apr 16, 2015  Student General Artist
Don't be a stupid idiot. I'm telling you that these so-called evil acts by Gos has been refuted and explained why he has to do it, and it's not even a bad way. You ARE the one who is being misguided. So stop being so ignorant.
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Tasorius2 Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2015
Telling some bandits to rape and kill women.
How do you explain that...?

I am neither stupid nor ignorant. I just have morals, as opposed to brainwashed people like you.
It's hypocritical to call me a hypocrite when your religion is two sided and false.
Decide on one side or admit that half of it is false. You can't have both.
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2014
I agree with your final statement.
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TheDreamVista Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2014  Student General Artist
Thanks. Sorry that I have to kinda/sorta insulted one of your favorite person, I just don't like how very biased, and nit picking he is being about God, and other deities.
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Jun 7, 2014
I have no problem with that, personally I agree with much of what he say's but that doesn't mean everyone has too.
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TheDreamVista Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2014  Student General Artist
Thanks, and I see.
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JourneyRocks Featured By Owner Apr 18, 2014
If you think the statement is ignorant or he is, read the evidence right in the Old Testament and tell me how "god" is so loving.
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ReXspec Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2014  Student Writer
Believing Dawkin's is some sort of expert on the old testament is like believing that a plumber should be some sort of consultant in philosophy.

For all of Dawkin's bluster, he is unwilling to debate with accredited philosophers/theologians all while being a fundamentalist himself.

How ironic.
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Daniel-Gleebits Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
If you're talking about Ray Comfort, Ken Ham, and William Lane Craig, the reason is because these people are morons.
He isn't a theologian, he's an evolutionary biologist, and talks about that subject.

The reason he can say this statement, and be right, is because all you have to do is read two chapters into the bible and you realise he actually is right. The christian god is a monster.

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ReXspec Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2014  Student Writer
The people that you mentioned are not the only theologians though.  There are hundreds of others.  He can really take his pick on who he wants to debate and who he doesn't; some are more competent then others.

But you can't define something like God with a malefic opinion (and decision) to revile religion (especially the Christian religion) with every turn.  That doesn't make him right.  Further more, he ISN'T right.

As the saying goes, a righteous judges will always seem unfair in the eyes of the convict.

Proverbs 14:12
"There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death."

Psalm 52:3
"Thou lovest evil more than good; and lying rather than to speak righteousness. Selah."

No body has the authority (or the right) to criticize a being that has devoted His entire existence to our salvation, growth, and eternal joy.  Least of all Dawkins whom presupposes he and those like him who spew similar contentious, hate-filled, vitriolic bile are better then, not only God, but others who, like me, offer a chance to convert to something that will heal their souls and body, and will offer them eternal happiness.  At the very least, if they don't want to convert, I can offer them information on, not just my faith, but on a perspective that is not bound to that which is simply observable.

That's said, you're precisely correct.  He is an evolutionary biologist.  But, until he can even consider a prerogative outside of his hate-filled one, he shouldn't be considered a credible opinion on the subject of Christendom--or even philosophy or religion for that matter.
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Daniel-Gleebits Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
If a person does good things all of their life, and then goes and blows up an orphanage, what are they remembered for after they die?

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ReXspec Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2014  Student Writer
What a man is remembered for by his fellow man is irrelevant.  What matters is his works, faith, and repentance for when he meets Christ up on the judgement seat.  For that man will have a perfect knowledge of all his sins that he has not repented for, but will have exaltation and everlasting life if he repents.

Ezekiel 18:21 - "But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die."  ("Die" in this context, meaning death of the soul).
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Daniel-Gleebits Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
So, we should think of god for the good things he does, rather than the abysmally horrible, genocidal, infanticidal, hypocritical, blame-shifting, and frankly insane nonsense he never ceases committing throughout the entirety of the bible?

If this is so, perhaps you could tell me of some good your god has done?

Or you could perhaps demonstrate that he exists at all. That would be very useful, and perhaps the more pertinent.

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ReXspec Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2014  Student Writer
"So, we should think of god for the good things he does, rather than the abysmally horrible, genocidal, infanticidal, hypocritical, blame-shifting, and frankly insane nonsense he never ceases committing throughout the entirety of the bible?"
What you are attempting is an obtuse comparison.  God gave us the power to make our own decisions.  Within this power is the potential to do good things as well as evil.  I don't know what bible or holy text you are reading that states God is an "abysmally horrible, genocidal, infanticidal, hypocritical, and blame-shifting" being, but to blame him for perfectly justifiable behavior after mortal men have committed atrocities that fall well within your accusations is absolutely absurd.

"If this is so, perhaps you could tell me of some good your god has done?"
This should be an obvious question.  And it is actually quite surreal to see someone actually have the gall to ask this.  What has he done?  Hmmm...well let's see apart from the thousands of miracles and good works that have been done with his power, blessing, and guidance, let's start with the big things, shall we?

- Gave us the opportunity to live a mortal life and experience the joys (as well as pains) it has to offer.  We have the ability to live an existence of freedom with our decisions only being bound by consequence as opposed to being FORCED to make decisions like Satan wanted.

- Gave us the Priesthood authority that has allowed men to perform works of healing, repentance, and other ordinances that constitute THOUSANDS of miracles in His name.  To name all of these miracles and good works would take up thousands of pages worth of posting space.

- Gave his only begotten son so that we might be able to repent for our sins and live with Him again.

- Gave us Priesthood ordinances that allow us to perform baptism by immersion, laying on of hands, and many other ordinances that also constitute miracles if it is His will.

I've heard a lot of people say God is responsible for a lot of bad things, but for someone to say he hasn't done ONE good thing?  Wow... that is a first.  I don't know who or what hurt you that led you to believe that, but you have my honest condolences.

"Or you could perhaps demonstrate that he exists at all. That would be very useful, and perhaps the more pertinent."
Let's not make obtuse requests in addition to making obtuse comparisons... I can't demonstrate the truth of God or His work through words alone; I can only offer experiences in my life, which are, quite frankly, miracles.  Experiences that fall well outside of any scientific explanation.  Experiences that are so precise and so personal in their nature, that it would cause me to commit grievous sin were I ever to deny that they were miracles done by the hand of the Lord.

I don't expect you to believe me--quite frankly, I don't blame you.  To convey experience through words is only so effective.  It is something you have to have an open mind to experience.  Which means, if you have a specific prerogative not to believe in God, then you won't believe it.  Even if miracles were to fall in your lap.
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Daniel-Gleebits Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
If I believed your experiences just based on you telling me them, I'd be making an irrational decision. You could tell me "I saw the universe spawn from the spout of the Almighty Teapot. I don't expect you to believe me, and you have me condolences for when you're tossed screaming into the cold coffee rinds with the Old Bag, but I sympathise that you don't believe me," and hold as much validation as what you just said.
Miracles cannot be evidence of god's existence, since neither you nor I can ascertain from their mere occurrence what the source of them was. For all we know, it could have been Zeus, Allah, aliens, faeries, or humans from the future fucking with us. You have to demonstrate your god. If you can't do this, I have no reason to believe in his existence. You don't think other people have told me about how god helped them find their car keys, or how Jesus told them how to find their way out of an office complex, or how the holy spirit led them to find the last christmas toy on the shelf?

As to your god being responsible for many bad things, within the scope of your mythology, he is responsible for every single bad thing, because he is responsible for every single thing that happens. Observe:

- God creates the universe.
- God creates beings in that universe from dirt and a broken rib, and gives them free will (which doesn't exist by the way).
- God then gives them an arbitrary rule (a rule that makes no sense whatsoever), a rule that he already knew that they would break, and already knew the consequences would be unleashed.
- God had the power, being omnipotent, to change said outcome. But he didn't.
- God engages in blame-shifting, blaming his creations for his own actions.
- The entire human race suffers forever for the crime of being born.


Sure, this means that every single good thing that ever happens is also his fault, but when I said that he never does anything good, I was speaking from the standpoint of listing his actions in the bible. At no point in the bible does god do anything that doesn't have some HORRIBLE, or irrationally nonsensical outcome.

The bronze age shepherds who wrote the bible didn't have much to go on when they were inventing their deities, except lots of violence and a big desert. It's really no wonder their god is such a bloodthirsty monster.

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AAtheist Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2014
How ironic, you make a comment saying that he doesn't know what he's talking about, and in doing so show that you do not know what you are talking about.
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