Let me put it this way... The world is (And I'm not just using this word to piss you off since the last time I used it in the presence of an Atheist who defined himself pretty much by his Atheism as surely as the Trekkie has little life and personality outside of Star Trek) BLESSED that this guy never held a seat of appreciable power.
I could go on about how he supported a Stalinist USSR (And I've debated with enough fanatical commies here on DA to know that most of them don't even like Stalinism), or how he made light of his missives being used to justify some pretty heinous acts, but if you love throwing George Bernard Shaw quotes around, try this one on for size since I think it sums up just about everything you need to know about the man... "You must all know half a dozen people at least who are no use in this world, who are more trouble than they are worth. Just put them there and say Sir, or Madam, now will you be kind enough to justify your existence? If you can't justify your existence, if you're not pulling your weight in the social boat, if you're not producing as much as you consume or perhaps a little more, then, clearly, we cannot use the organizations of our society for the purpose of keeping you alive, because your life does not benefit us and it can't be of very much use to yourself."
Thinking of humanity, people, in terms of animal husbandry. Only not just physical characteristics, but suppose you have no place, no job, or you're handicapped or you're an artist or... for biting irony's sake... a playwright whose work is not liked by the committee that Shaw (And other eugenicists) would have in place, then you would be placed in a gas chamber and 'humanely' disposed of.
I put no stock in a verminous wretch like this who would look at a man in a wheelchair and think 'Detriment to society'.
'But Zucca!' you might say. 'He won the Nobel Prize! There's got to be some stock to what he says!'
So did Arafat. And that man had his own take on eugenics and was a lot more... proactive... to that end. >_>
You can keep Shaw's quotes, but don't let the truth about what was really in this bastard's heart become a blasphemy.
It's a terrible shame Tenzin Gyatso is in exile. The tension between Tibet and China are bad enough... but the fact that the secular PRC is imposing its will on Tibet's culture and ways is heartbreaking.
The office of the Lama, I think, is a respectable one, as promotion of peace and respect between religions has been the keystone of their principles. The reincarnation aspect, regardless of whether you agree with it or not, is immaterial to the content of the peaceful message.
But that's never again going to happen because Red China is bullying Tibet into churning out 'state approved' holy men.
There's a reason we, in America, have a seperation of church and state. It goes both ways.
Atheist or not, I place faith in you that you would find it monstrous if the government started vetting priests, rabbis and imams here in America.
I certainly would take umbrage if they started vetting priests.
From your response I am guessing that you didn't know that the Dahlai Lama has a history of forcing children into the army and making them fight his wars for him? With his explicit approval I would add. On top of that he has spent time attempting to foment revolt in China, this is long before China invaded Tibet and kicked him out. Further, his regime in Tibet kept people in a cast system, with a servant caste that lived in effect like slaves.
Behind every great man you will always find dark history.
sociopath? Hes no sociopath. and, hes done nothing like Pope Urban II who called the crusade, or nothing like hitlar who killed jews and gays for his RELIGION, so tell me, how the fuck is he a sociopath? I AM A SOCIOPATH.
Should I even attempt to fill your historical ignorance? Clearly you're a victim of a public education.
T'was kings and tyrants who initiated the crusades in a glut of wounded pride, conspiring with men unworthy to wear the trappings of religious leadership, they, erroneously claiming to speak for God, coaxed a mass migration that cut a swath.
Religion was just the means to the end. I promise you, if you remove the religious elements, these kings and tyrants would have found some other motivator.
Heh, right... The last refuge of a man with no answers.
If I were a troll, I would be doing this for enjoyment. And I promise you, trying to fill the potholes of your education is *not* an envious experience. >_>
If you want to debate, bring it on, champ. If you want to stamp your feet like a child denied a piece of candy at the supermarket, hey, that's fine too. But which of the two options do you think lends your position more credibility?
No, but if he (Or those who believe he had the right idea) was in control, he would force anyone who contributes nothing to society to stand before a council of officials and try to justify their own existence elsewise, be put to death.
Not unlike the eugenics programs that morphed into other things...
It upsets me that the pope could be so passionate about ending poverty yet be associated with the church that holds billions in currency. Now that's what I call blasphemous irony. Thank you for sharing.