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There is only one Truth by AAtheist There is only one Truth by AAtheist
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TrueGrimReaper64 Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I've been looking at all the discussion below and I think it's ridiculous. It's absurd the amount of effort and thought Atheists put into legitimate debate only to be met with blabbering and denial (or even worse trolling and ridicule). Even worse, if we don't, we're considered fraudulent and to have just as much blind faith as the Religious. They burden us with the task of finding evidence, and just sit on their blind faith, and even when we find evidence they just flat out ignore us.

I love it when people say "Atheism is a religion as much as Christianity" because it really shows just how little they know about not only what Atheism is, but what a religion is.
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sin-and-love Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2014  New member
Fear not. There are many thinking Christians out there like C.S. Lewis.
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TheAntsaBoy94 Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
The thing is, miracle, by its nature, is not testable, so folks shouldn't question it just because they can't try it out themselves. Who are you to demand God, or really any supernatural entity, to let you play and exam their powers?
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2014
I was not talking about miracles with this quote, but since you brought them up...

It's funny how miracles only occurred when there was no way to record them properly. In fact every recorded "miracle" that has ever been testable in any way by science has turned out to be something else.

To steal a line from Tim Minchin.
"Throughout history, every mystery, ever solved, has turned out to be...

   ...Not magic."

There are things we do not understand or know, but that does not mean that they are caused by God, and many "miracles" are actually very easy to explain.
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TheAntsaBoy94 Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It is not funny. Biblical God has been said to provide us freedom to choose what to belive in, so He couldn't possibly allow any of His miracles to be examined to the point of proving His existence beyond any doubt (for a person who clearly don't want to believe in Him [like most atheists]).

Comprehending several aspects essential for a physical effect to work at all (aka what our science can tell), is different from all-embracing understanding. Last time I checked, even science can agree, that 3 dimensions is not enough to explain the workings of this world. So what if there were more, supernatural dimensions, in which every 3 dimensional object has it's own existence, so that they could be manipulated from there, too?

Think about it! Supernatural or not, physical examination would still be our only tool, so unless the results of a supernatural event was something out of ordinary (which, as stated before, God couldn't allow to happen just anyhow) we would simply dismiss it as a natural event. The only scientific way to prove the existence of supernatural dimensions would be running a perfect simulation of our world and then end up with a different results. Even then it can be claimed, that the difference was caused within the physical world itself (aka simulation wasn't perfect).

With that said, it'd be really easy to see people choosing science over God because its evidences, whatever truthful or false, seems more concrete (satisfying their need of certainty), its overall message and some individual claims fits better their already existing beliefs, and its deficiency are hard to recognize and easier to understate due those two formerly mentioned reasons. In other words, the same exact reasons why some people live by some bullshit religions and beliefs. I'm stating this as a possibility to point out, that scientific world view and life philosophy is certainly not as free from bias of human mind as most people might think, and that its trustworthiness has generally been greatly overstated.
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sin-and-love Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2014  New member
For an even better explanation for miracles than what my spiritual brother\sister\whichever just provided, read C.S. Lewis' miracles. Just like my wife, it's a mind-blowing experience, but admittedly hard to finish. X-D (I'm not actually married, though. I just wanted to make that joke.)
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014  Student Writer
You can't use a religious person's words as an argument against religion.
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014
Two things.

1. Why not? I know you might not get this, but just because someone is religious, does not mean they are automatically wrong in anything they say.

2. You have no idea what you are talking about. Einstein was certainly NOT religious in the context that you mean it. Maybe if you read some of the quotes below (All with genuine first sources so that you read up on them and check them for authenticity yourself) you will better understand what Einstein thought of religion.

 “It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”
-- Albert Einstein, 1954, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press

I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modelled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms.
-- Albert Einstein, obituary in New York Times, 19 April 1955, quoted from James A Haught, "Breaking the Last Taboo" (1996)

It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere.... Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
-- Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science," New York Times Magazine, 9 November 1930

The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.
-- Albert Einstein, in a letter responding to philosopher Eric Gutkind, who had sent him a copy of his book Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt; quoted from James Randerson, "Childish Superstition: Einstein's Letter Makes View of Religion Relatively Clear: Scientist's Reply to Sell for up to £8,000, and Stoke Debate over His Beliefs" The Guardian, (13 May 2008)

"About God, I cannot accept any concept based on the authority of the Church. As long as I can remember, I have resented mass indocrination. I do not believe in the fear of life, in the fear of death, in blind faith. I cannot prove to you that there is no personal God, but if I were to speak of him, I would be a liar. I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil. My God created laws that take care of that. His universe is not ruled by wishful thinking, but by immutable laws." 
W. Hermanns, Einstein and the Poet—In Search of the Cosmic Man (Branden Press, Brookline Village, Mass., 1983), p.132, quoted in Jammer, p.123.
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014  Student Writer
Einstein flatly said that he wasn't an atheist. He associated himself with pantheism, which is a religion nevertheless.
www.deism.com/einstein.htm
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014
And yet you send me to a religious website to argue your point for you? Fantastic.

Actually Einstein said that he believed in Spinoza's god, which is certainly a pantheistic belief, but is definitely NOT a religion. Pantheistic religions exist, they are called (among others) Buddhism, Jainism, Taoism, and others. 

If you wish to continue arguing that he was religious, may I suggest you actually bother to read what I put before trying to twist his views to suit your own needs? Just in case you decide to, here are the quotes I gave you earlier. I think you will find they are very much against the idea of an organised religion.

“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”
-- Albert Einstein, 1954, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press

I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modelled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms.
-- Albert Einstein, obituary in New York Times, 19 April 1955, quoted from James A Haught, "Breaking the Last Taboo" (1996)

It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere.... Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
-- Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science," New York Times Magazine, 9 November 1930

The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.
-- Albert Einstein, in a letter responding to philosopher Eric Gutkind, who had sent him a copy of his book Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt; quoted from James Randerson, "Childish Superstition: Einstein's Letter Makes View of Religion Relatively Clear: Scientist's Reply to Sell for up to £8,000, and Stoke Debate over His Beliefs" The Guardian, (13 May 2008)

"About God, I cannot accept any concept based on the authority of the Church. As long as I can remember, I have resented mass indoctrination. I do not believe in the fear of life, in the fear of death, in blind faith. I cannot prove to you that there is no personal God, but if I were to speak of him, I would be a liar. I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil. My God created laws that take care of that. His universe is not ruled by wishful thinking, but by immutable laws." 
W. Hermanns, Einstein and the Poet—In Search of the Cosmic Man (Branden Press, Brookline Village, Mass., 1983), p.132, quoted in Jammer, p.123.
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