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There is only one Truth by AAtheist There is only one Truth by AAtheist
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Jun 25, 2014  Student Writer
You can't use a religious person's words as an argument against religion.
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014
Two things.

1. Why not? I know you might not get this, but just because someone is religious, does not mean they are automatically wrong in anything they say.

2. You have no idea what you are talking about. Einstein was certainly NOT religious in the context that you mean it. Maybe if you read some of the quotes below (All with genuine first sources so that you read up on them and check them for authenticity yourself) you will better understand what Einstein thought of religion.

 “It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”
-- Albert Einstein, 1954, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press

I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modelled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms.
-- Albert Einstein, obituary in New York Times, 19 April 1955, quoted from James A Haught, "Breaking the Last Taboo" (1996)

It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere.... Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
-- Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science," New York Times Magazine, 9 November 1930

The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.
-- Albert Einstein, in a letter responding to philosopher Eric Gutkind, who had sent him a copy of his book Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt; quoted from James Randerson, "Childish Superstition: Einstein's Letter Makes View of Religion Relatively Clear: Scientist's Reply to Sell for up to £8,000, and Stoke Debate over His Beliefs" The Guardian, (13 May 2008)

"About God, I cannot accept any concept based on the authority of the Church. As long as I can remember, I have resented mass indocrination. I do not believe in the fear of life, in the fear of death, in blind faith. I cannot prove to you that there is no personal God, but if I were to speak of him, I would be a liar. I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil. My God created laws that take care of that. His universe is not ruled by wishful thinking, but by immutable laws." 
W. Hermanns, Einstein and the Poet—In Search of the Cosmic Man (Branden Press, Brookline Village, Mass., 1983), p.132, quoted in Jammer, p.123.
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014  Student Writer
Einstein flatly said that he wasn't an atheist. He associated himself with pantheism, which is a religion nevertheless.
www.deism.com/einstein.htm
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014
And yet you send me to a religious website to argue your point for you? Fantastic.

Actually Einstein said that he believed in Spinoza's god, which is certainly a pantheistic belief, but is definitely NOT a religion. Pantheistic religions exist, they are called (among others) Buddhism, Jainism, Taoism, and others. 

If you wish to continue arguing that he was religious, may I suggest you actually bother to read what I put before trying to twist his views to suit your own needs? Just in case you decide to, here are the quotes I gave you earlier. I think you will find they are very much against the idea of an organised religion.

“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”
-- Albert Einstein, 1954, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press

I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modelled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms.
-- Albert Einstein, obituary in New York Times, 19 April 1955, quoted from James A Haught, "Breaking the Last Taboo" (1996)

It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere.... Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
-- Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science," New York Times Magazine, 9 November 1930

The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.
-- Albert Einstein, in a letter responding to philosopher Eric Gutkind, who had sent him a copy of his book Choose Life: The Biblical Call to Revolt; quoted from James Randerson, "Childish Superstition: Einstein's Letter Makes View of Religion Relatively Clear: Scientist's Reply to Sell for up to £8,000, and Stoke Debate over His Beliefs" The Guardian, (13 May 2008)

"About God, I cannot accept any concept based on the authority of the Church. As long as I can remember, I have resented mass indoctrination. I do not believe in the fear of life, in the fear of death, in blind faith. I cannot prove to you that there is no personal God, but if I were to speak of him, I would be a liar. I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil. My God created laws that take care of that. His universe is not ruled by wishful thinking, but by immutable laws." 
W. Hermanns, Einstein and the Poet—In Search of the Cosmic Man (Branden Press, Brookline Village, Mass., 1983), p.132, quoted in Jammer, p.123.
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014  Student Writer
Not being for organized religion does not mean he was not religious in a personal way.
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2014
Did you bother to read the quotes I gave you at all?
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PeteSeeger Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2014  Student Writer
I rarely do.
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AAtheist Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2014
And this is supposed to impress me in some way? You are basically admitting that you have a closed mind and that there is no point in debating with you at all. You are in effect admitting that you do not listen to other people, but actually just spend time rehearsing your own arguments over and over again. It also means that there is no point in reading your replies, because they are basically going to be nothing more than garbage, the same garbage in fact, over and over again. It will have little to no basis in the ongoing debate and could safely be ignored as pointless.

Why do you bother arguing at all? You certainly aren't going to convince anyone else with your childish reliance on false data. The only people you can safely debate with are people who think as you do, everyone else will simply get bored and begin ignoring you.
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Saint-Tepes Featured By Owner May 16, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Albert Einstein:
"Your question [about God] is the most difficult in the world. It is not a question I can answer simply with yes or no. I am not an Atheist."

"science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

""Unquestionably! No one can read the Gospels without feeling the actual presence of Jesus. His personality pulsates in every word. No myth is filled with such life."

"Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing truth. I never had any special interest in the Church before, but now I feel a great affection and admiration because the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual truth and moral freedom. I am forced thus to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly."

"a person who is religiously enlightened appears to me to be one who has, to the best of his ability, liberated himself from the fetters of his selfish desires and is preoccupied with thoughts, feelings and aspirations to which he clings because of their super-personal value. It seems to me that what is important is the force of this superpersonal content ... regardless of whether any attempt is made to unite this content with a Divine Being, for otherwise it would not be possible to count Buddha and Spinoza as religious personalities. Accordingly a religious person is devout in the sense that he has no doubt of the significance of those super-personal objects and goals which neither require nor are capable of rational foundation ... In this sense religion is the age-old endeavor of mankind to become clearly and completely conscious of these values and goals and constantly to strengthen and extend their effect. If one conceives of religion and science according to these definitions then a conflict between them appears impossible. For science can only ascertain what is, but not what should be"
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AAtheist Featured By Owner May 16, 2013
Well aren't you the unimaginative one? No worries I'll just give you the same reply I did last time.

First of all you provide no original source material for your quotes, on what authority, exactly, do you say that he said these? Secondly please take a moment to read the quotes below (along with a statement of all original sources).

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a
lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a
personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly.
If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the
unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our
science can reveal it.
-- Albert Einstein, 1954, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited
by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press
I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of
what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with the fates and
actions of human beings.
-- Albert Einstein, following his wife's advice in responding to Rabbi
Herbert Goldstein of the International Synagogue in New York, who had
sent Einstein a cablegram bluntly demanding "Do you believe in God?"
Quoted from and citation notes derived from Victor J Stenger, Has
Science Found God? (draft: 2001), chapter 3.

Strange is our situation here on Earth. Each of us comes for a short
visit, not knowing why, yet sometimes seeming to divine a purpose. From
the standpoint of daily life, however, there is one thing we do know:
that man is here for the sake of other men -- above all for those upon
whose smiles and well-being our own happiness depends.
-- Albert Einstein, quoted from James A Haught, ed., 2000 Years of
Disbelief, p. 241

I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his
creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short,
who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the
individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor
such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotisms.
-- Albert Einstein, obituary in New York Times, 19 April 1955, quoted
from James A Haught, "Breaking the Last Taboo" (1996)

I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics
to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind
it.
-- Albert Einstein, 1954, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited
by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press

[Excerpt]
A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy,
education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary.
Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of
punishment and hope of reward after death.
-- Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science," New York Times Magazine, 9
November 1930

[Passage]
It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological
concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will
or goal outside the human sphere.... Science has been charged with
undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior
should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and
needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor
way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward
after death.
-- Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science," New York Times Magazine, 9
November 1930
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